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Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo ter... - 11/12/2008 12:28:53 PM
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lightshineon
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What? I cannot believe that this goes by unoticed by everyone. What is his motivation? We never wanted them on American soil. They are like cock-roaches, sorry if that offends, but they should never be allowed communication with each other. What does it take this man doing for people to see there is something sinister about him. Are we the biggest nation of fools?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 12:37:54 PM
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Because America is blinded by her pocket book. That's all they can see.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 12:40:47 PM
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We are stupid to let this man destroy us. We are just like dumb sheep led to the slaughter, while people dance in the streets for this man. He will also destroy our economy, that is his goal, IMHO.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:04:50 PM
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What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:06:18 PM
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lightshineon
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Oh, so we bring them here on US soil? His other option is to release them, then what?
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:07:26 PM
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Don't worry once we get them here we will let them out of jail until their trials and they will see how great America is and cause us harm no further.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:08:36 PM
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To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
I doubt it.
What will probably happen (and we should know fairly quickly after Jan.) is that Obama may give a very few some sort of trial, let a few go, and ship the rest off to foreign prisons.
And hope that is sufficient to win the 'good will' of foreign nations he so desires.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:11:10 PM
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Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:14:34 PM
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We did not lock them up because we do not like them, uh, it was because they do not like us in a very big way. Enemy combatants fall into a different category anyway, not Amercan citizens so you know, a mute point.
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Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:19:25 PM
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Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Actually, in every war we lock people up without trial because it would be absurd to bring every person caught as part of a foreign army to trial.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:22:56 PM
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What do people want, the reason we are fighting is to keep them off American Soil, and Bo, wants to bring them on American soil? We could have the take no prisoner policy, but, know that would be something everyone would complain about, so what do Gitmo prisoner lovers want?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:23:28 PM
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We did not lock them up because we do not like them, uh, it was because they do not like us in a very big way. Enemy combatants fall into a different category anyway, not Amercan citizens so you know, a mute point.
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ORIGINAL: Born_Again
Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Before 9/11 there was no such thing called “ enemy combatant” . President bush created this category so he doesn’t have to go thru legal process.
I wonder why are you so afraid of having them to go thru trial? Is that because you know you can’t prove them guilty ? All you want me to do is trust the administration and talk show host that these people are enemy of America?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:24:07 PM
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What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
Specifically what law are you talking about? Do you apply the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the entire world and those not on American soil?
Also, they should have military tribunals and not civilian courts because astute attorneys let murderers, pedophiles and other criminals out on small technicalities or loopholes.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:24:51 PM
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Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Actually, in every war we lock people up without trial because it would be absurd to bring every person caught as part of a foreign army to trial.
That is called POW.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:26:18 PM
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I do not want them on a plane, I do want them on a train. I do not want them here, or there or anywhere. Please, Were you born seven years ago when the towers, and pentagon were hit????????????? Not Born Again just born?
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We did not lock them up because we do not like them, uh, it was because they do not like us in a very big way. Enemy combatants fall into a different category anyway, not Amercan citizens so you know, a mute point.
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ORIGINAL: Born_Again
Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Before 9/11 there was no such thing called “ enemy combatant” . President bush created this category so he doesn’t have to go thru legal process.
I wonder why are you so afraid of having them to go thru trial? Is that because you know you can’t prove them guilty ? All you want me to do is trust the administration and talk show host that these people are enemy of America?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:28:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
Specifically what law are you talking about? Do you apply the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the entire world and those not on American soil?
Also, they should have military tribunals and not civilian courts because astute attorneys let murderers, pedophiles and other criminals out on small technicalities or loopholes.
I am not saying it is as black and white as it sound. We may not send them to American court, may be in international court or under Geneva convection a POW, but we can’t lock them up forever ( it has been over 7 years).
You can’t gloat that you are “ leader of the free world” , “ Spreading democracy’ and then lock people up just because you “ think’ they are bad people.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:31:02 PM
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We did not lock them up because we do not like them, uh, it was because they do not like us in a very big way. Enemy combatants fall into a different category anyway, not Amercan citizens so you know, a mute point.
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ORIGINAL: Born_Again
Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Before 9/11 there was no such thing called “ enemy combatant” . President bush created this category so he doesn’t have to go thru legal process.
I wonder why are you so afraid of having them to go thru trial? Is that because you know you can’t prove them guilty ? All you want me to do is trust the administration and talk show host that these people are enemy of America?
They were captured, not arrested. The american soldiers did not have time to go back, preserve the "crime scene", and gather evidence. They have no basis to be tried in our criminal courts.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:31:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
Specifically what law are you talking about? Do you apply the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the entire world and those not on American soil?
Also, they should have military tribunals and not civilian courts because astute attorneys let murderers, pedophiles and other criminals out on small technicalities or loopholes.
I am not saying it is as black and white as it sound. We may not send them to American court, may be in international court or under Geneva convection a POW, but we can’t lock them up forever ( it has been over 7 years).
You can’t gloat that you are “ leader of the free world” , “ Spreading democracy’ and then lock people up just because you “ think’ they are bad people.
No, not forever, but if I'm not mistaken, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that many of the Gitmo POWs can be held without trial 'until hostilities have ended'.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:32:15 PM
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lightshineon
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Well why bring them here. It is just not because we think they are bad people, it is because they are. You are right it is not black and white, there are so many terrorist cell groups still plotting our destruction as we speak. They do not want a trial, they are trying or were to have a trial for one not long ago, he did not want it fired attorneys and such. We released one, and the net day he was a suicide bomber.
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ORIGINAL: Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: essentialsaltes
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
Specifically what law are you talking about? Do you apply the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the entire world and those not on American soil?
Also, they should have military tribunals and not civilian courts because astute attorneys let murderers, pedophiles and other criminals out on small technicalities or loopholes.
I am not saying it is as black and white as it sound. We may not send them to American court, may be in international court or under Geneva convection a POW, but we can’t lock them up forever ( it has been over 7 years).
You can’t gloat that you are “ leader of the free world” , “ Spreading democracy’ and then lock people up just because you “ think’ they are bad people.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:32:19 PM
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I do not want them on a plane, I do want them on a train. I do not want them here, or there or anywhere. Please, Were you born seven years ago when the towers, and pentagon were hit????????????? Not Born Again just born?
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We did not lock them up because we do not like them, uh, it was because they do not like us in a very big way. Enemy combatants fall into a different category anyway, not Amercan citizens so you know, a mute point.
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ORIGINAL: Born_Again
Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Before 9/11 there was no such thing called “ enemy combatant” . President bush created this category so he doesn’t have to go thru legal process.
I wonder why are you so afraid of having them to go thru trial? Is that because you know you can’t prove them guilty ? All you want me to do is trust the administration and talk show host that these people are enemy of America?
Sorry, I had enough of using 9/11 as excuse.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:35:07 PM
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No, not forever, but if I'm not mistaken, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that many of the Gitmo POWs can be held without trial 'until hostilities have ended'.
Exactly; and as Al Qaeda and friends aren't exactly an ordinary army which follows regular rules of war, it is silly to think we could simply make the arrangements we would make otherwise through peace and cease fire agreements.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:37:35 PM
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If they are treated as POWs, how do we then determine the cessation of hostilities which would permit their release? They serve not a country but an ideology. How do you sign a cease-fire agreement with an ideology?
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:37:44 PM
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ecuse for what? Protecting ourselves. Ok what about Spain and Trains, England and subways, Russian Children. Are those excuse good enough since thousands of American lives were lost, not to mention families loss of loved ones, fathers, mothers, daughter sons, friends, aunts uncles. Policeman firemen. What is enough for you?
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
I do not want them on a plane, I do want them on a train. I do not want them here, or there or anywhere. Please, Were you born seven years ago when the towers, and pentagon were hit????????????? Not Born Again just born?
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
We did not lock them up because we do not like them, uh, it was because they do not like us in a very big way. Enemy combatants fall into a different category anyway, not Amercan citizens so you know, a mute point.
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ORIGINAL: Born_Again
Why he bring them to America? To do the right thing. You can’t lock people up just because you don’t like them, in civilized world we don’t lock people up with out trail, I guess after 8 years we forgot how to be civilized. Funny thing is this is exactly the things we were told that we are fighting against.
Before 9/11 there was no such thing called “ enemy combatant” . President bush created this category so he doesn’t have to go thru legal process.
I wonder why are you so afraid of having them to go thru trial? Is that because you know you can’t prove them guilty ? All you want me to do is trust the administration and talk show host that these people are enemy of America?
Sorry, I had enough of using 9/11 as excuse.
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RE: Why in heavens name is Obama wanting to bring Gitmo... - 11/12/2008 1:37:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: essentialsaltes
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
What is his motivation?
To give them proper trials, as the law of the land requires (in my opinion).
Specifically what law are you talking about? Do you apply the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the entire world and those not on American soil?
Also, they should have military tribunals and not civilian courts because astute attorneys let murderers, pedophiles and other criminals out on small technicalities or loopholes.
I am not saying it is as black and white as it sound. We may not send them to American court, may be in international court or under Geneva convection a POW, but we can’t lock them up forever ( it has been over 7 years).
You can’t gloat that you are “ leader of the free world” , “ Spreading democracy’ and then lock people up just because you “ think’ they are bad people.
If we classified them as POW's under the Geneva convention, we could detain them until the end of hostilities. So, I see no difference in their treatment as unlawful (or enemy) combatants or as POW's.
note to self: read entire thread before responding.
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goodbye sears tower, goodbye statue of liberty, goodbye washington monument. The white house will be safe though, because the BO friend of terrorist lives there. hey maybe he will even let them stay in the White House as guest. 
